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  • Published on Aug 14, 2019
  • Power doesn't corrupt; power reveals.

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  • Audrey Dozeman
    Audrey Dozeman Month ago +872

    For my own reference:
    Sansa - 4:38
    Bronn - 11:37
    Varys - 14:04
    Jon - 20:29
    Tyrion - 26:41
    Jaime - 33:15
    Cersei - 38:38
    Daenerys - 46:15

    • don't trust me I'm a Gemini
      don't trust me I'm a Gemini 15 days ago +1

      You are the real mvp

    • Audrey Dozeman
      Audrey Dozeman 18 days ago

      Troy Townsend yeah I feel that 🙃

    • Audrey Dozeman
      Audrey Dozeman 18 days ago

      Tornado Chaser thanks!! wow I didn’t even realize she pinned this, I’m glad I checked my notifications!

    • Troy Townsend
      Troy Townsend 22 days ago +7

      This whole thing really reopened old wounds. Now I don’t know how I’m gonna stitch them back up.

    • Momo Woods
      Momo Woods 24 days ago +2

      Audrey Dozeman Thank you. :)

  • Sarah Faulkner
    Sarah Faulkner 4 hours ago

    It's like the writers forgot Tyrion participated in battles and fought successfully and was fully aware of everyone's decisions to be in said battle

  • Popistan Iuliu
    Popistan Iuliu 6 hours ago

    Congratulations! Emilia Clarke definitely saw your video. We saw last night the confirmation ;)

  • Dell12 16
    Dell12 16 9 hours ago

    The whole claim to the throne thing could be easily solved by Jon and Dany just marrying, which no one would object to because a) they are Targaryens and that’s normal, and b) they are the greatest military power on the continent.

  • Dell12 16
    Dell12 16 10 hours ago

    If they took their time with this series like GRRM wanted they could’ve easily had a season or more just for the Long Night. Also wtf happened to the Azor Ahai prophecy?

  • James Armstrong
    James Armstrong 13 hours ago

    "She kinda forgot" is bad writer's code for "I completely forgot."

  • fuck kyle Graham
    fuck kyle Graham 14 hours ago

    you should do your videos topless.

  • Phyllis thomas
    Phyllis thomas Day ago

    OMG I love you!!

  • Elricson
    Elricson Day ago

    Rian Johnson, and Abrams to a lesser extent, deserves every bit of scrutiny for Star Wars though. The Last Jedi is in itself a terrible movie. I'm still trying to figure out which is worse though. They might be exactly equal. Danny got Luked. Characters were ruined. Events made no logical sense in how destructive or weak they were (compare Holdo's hyper jump to the dragons dying in 1 episode and wrecking a city and entire fleet in the next). The explanations and themes are nonsensical in both. And both have this "subversive" theme. Let's not downplay how terrible The Last Jedi was...

    • Dominic Bounds
      Dominic Bounds Day ago

      Personally, I think the biggest problem with the new trilogy is that it feels the need to proclaim itself a trailblazer without actually having the ambition to *be* a trailblazer: it wiped out the old expanded universe, it proudly announced that it was going to do new and heretofore unseen things... and immediately proceeded to crib notes from everything they were supposedly trying to get away from.

      Han's son turning to the Dark Side, the return of the Empire, another new Death Star-style weapon, a mysterious document contained within a droid, a villain so nebulous he might as well be the Emperor, a mask that looked borrowed from Darth Revan, another planet with no canon identity being blown up, a search for a Jedi master living in seclusion, "we can rule together" offers being made by the villain in movie 2, and the hint of the *real* Emperor Palpatine coming back in the third movie... so many things seem to have been borrowed from the original trilogy or the expanded universe that it starts becoming comical after a while. Maybe this is just the inevitable consequence of having to reinvent such a well-established franchise, but it seems *very* samey to me.

      And without anything new to say or do, the only goal the trilogy sets itself is to be "subversive," because the films desperately need a way of surprising the audience - but because that seems to be the only thing it wants to do, we end up with diminishing returns.

  • Elricson
    Elricson Day ago

    Insightful. There is a lot of overlap with my own opinions, but there were some extra things I had not considered.

  • Elricson
    Elricson Day ago +1

    What unites people? A tangible common enemy everybody hates and an inspiring leader against them. The night king is the perfect example. Not stories, and definitely not Bran's sorry ass sitting around story.
    Also I think Daenerys saving people's lives from a fate of being undead would inspire some loyalty. Not just agreeing with politics alone. A debt to be paid.

  • Elricson
    Elricson Day ago

    I never really bought Danny x Jon. It paled in comparison to Yggrite x Jon

  • butchdeadlift10
    butchdeadlift10 Day ago

    @Lindseyellis If you get back to The Whole Plate, could you talk about Theme in story?
    I just realized all my pondering about plot, tone, character, world building, framing, and so much more...............I have no god damn clue how to identify theme (Let alone use it in my own writing)

  • shomeli dey
    shomeli dey 2 days ago

    To be honest i disagree about Jaime and NCW thinking he doesn't need redemption -- because no disrespect to you or anyone for thinking this but everyone is thinking about the redemption in terms of whether Jaime saved people from one fixed point calamity of Kings Landing by Aerys and since he saved the city from Aerys, it retroactively absolved him from all the bad shit he did later in life.
    He didn't have to fuck Cersei, he didn't have to try to murder Bran, he didn't have to accost Ned or murder Jorrey, he didn't have to let his father fight in the belief that he is protecting his daughter;s legitimate children's right. In books it gets even worse because he is sending Brienne to save Catelyn's remaining missing daughter, any daughter to "fulfill his oaths" while he is breaking pretty much half of them in spirit by raising his arms against Starks and Tullys by giving her home to the Freys . He He committed treason and incest just because he didn't care and none of the vilification got for not explaining to anyone why he murdered Aerys won't excuse. He supported a faction which is protecting his biological coup and supporting its war crimes ( and there are soooo many of it beside Red Wedding) . Its not Ned's fault or anyone;s fault for not patting Jaime on the back for he never told anyone that city was about to burn because of Aerys. Its one of the biggest plot point as to why book fandom expect to Jaime to loose his shit and murder Cersei, dying in the process.
    So yeah, he did needed redemption, no matter what NCW thinks. "The good acts do not wash out the bad"--As Stannis would tell you, who died despite being such a good potential king because of his one bad act. His trauma with Aerys and his upbringing with Tywin and Cersei only explains where he came from not why he should be justified by the narrative ( which show went out its way to do while Book never does. the latter is sympathetic where it needs to and harsh where it needs to) . So if Jaime is to be redeemed in actual canon , he cannot get away with saying "he tried to murder Bran and start a war for family" and everyone would say "aye!" .
    Other than that, its an excellent analysis. I do not agree with some of it ( like the hypocritical double standard by which daenerys was treated and blackwashed or the how the signs of the oncoming decay was always present especially with blackwashing Robb Stark into a stupid romantic lead is a problem not something to be shrugged at. ) but its vastly great in quality than most of the analysis out there. Kudos!! ( and likes)

  • Shermanium
    Shermanium 2 days ago

    CONGRATS on the 2019 HUGO AWARD!!!! HUZZAH!!!1!

  • Tony Spike
    Tony Spike 2 days ago

    i just put the Jamie line about hating the innocent or otherwise down to his wit, nothing more .........him and Tyrion always banter like that

  • Storm3y3 Dragon
    Storm3y3 Dragon 3 days ago +1

    56:43 - Holy sweet canaries Batman go ham.

  • Luigi Nastro
    Luigi Nastro 3 days ago +1

    Maybe the real Game of Thrones is the friends we made along the way...

  • MantisToboggan
    MantisToboggan 3 days ago +1

    To Lindsay's final point about not being excited to rewatch Thrones, it occurred to me today that I've rewatched Preston's reviews many, many times since the finale, but I haven't felt the desire to rewatch a single episode of the show.

  • Mark Silva
    Mark Silva 4 days ago

    Yo. Lets get another video.

  • Sean Wilson
    Sean Wilson 4 days ago +2

    Just found ur channel, I really enjoy your content! Not that you read the comments 😂

  • Eddrian32
    Eddrian32 4 days ago +1

    "Also I believe our citizens are being quite literally slaughtered!"
    Hah, who gives a shit, They're peasents"

  • Eddrian32
    Eddrian32 4 days ago +2

    "change their house motto from "winter is coming" to "fuck you, got mine!""

  • Groniz Herz
    Groniz Herz 4 days ago +1

    ya you should read the books lolz

  • FuNot FuMe
    FuNot FuMe 5 days ago +1

    WTF?! 1:01:52 THE "DRAGON" is immune to fire! If he was the "dragon", as he claimed, molten gold shouldn't have been a problem!
    It wasn't that she was watching her abusive brother die. it was her realizing that he wasn't the 'dragon'.
    Who let this guy write for this show!

  • Hurricane Ravi
    Hurricane Ravi 5 days ago

    Lance from The Serfs sends his Love😁😁😁

  • Zachary Farr
    Zachary Farr 5 days ago +1

    The 1968 Romeo & Juliet will never be topped, RIP Franco Zeffirelli

  • Robert Dole
    Robert Dole 5 days ago

    BUTTER HORSE RIDES AGAIN!

  • Butter Horse
    Butter Horse 5 days ago

    Butter horse loves your work

  • Uniquely Selo
    Uniquely Selo 5 days ago

    Hey, how do you edit your videos so that you don’t get copyrighted? I want to do similar videos as you but I’m not sure how. Please let me know!

  • Dennis D
    Dennis D 5 days ago

    ability is different from power. It is.

  • Noneof Yourbeeswax
    Noneof Yourbeeswax 5 days ago +1

    8:17 So, according to you, men will only respect someone who is completely ruthless?

    • menada miranda
      menada miranda 4 days ago +2

      Not according to her,according to the show runners.They are the ones making that statement through Sansa's character.

  • juan pablo sanchez
    juan pablo sanchez 5 days ago +1

    Thanks for the subtitles, suscribed.

  • D. K. Kurtz
    D. K. Kurtz 6 days ago +2

    "I used to watch and re-watch the earlier seasons of the show, but now - knowing how it ends, knowing what they're building towards, knowing how nihilistic and stupid and mean it ends up being - there's just no enjoyment in the journey, even, anymore."
    Every time I see GoT in my watch queue, I think something like this. It's tragic, because the first half was so good. But why watch it, when it just leads to the second half?

  • Ardson
    Ardson 6 days ago

    Hey I'm commenting here because you disabled comments on your 9/11 videos. Can you explain what makes the Looming Tower good? You spend 2 videos laughing at all the bad 9/11 media and then recommend Looming Tower without much explanation besides Pulizter.

  • Sean MacSweeney
    Sean MacSweeney 6 days ago

    Now that Netflix have unceremoniously curtailed series 3 of “The OA” have you any thoughts on doing a video on this fantastic programme

  • crowkid
    crowkid 6 days ago +4

    I was going to finish watching Game of Thrones.




    Good thing I didn't.

    • Nicholas
      Nicholas 4 days ago

      @crowkid cool
      That's great

    • crowkid
      crowkid 5 days ago +1

      @Nicholas That's kind of where I stopped. Somewhere around three or four.

    • Nicholas
      Nicholas 5 days ago +1

      Only watch the first four seasons

  • Desirée Lindmark
    Desirée Lindmark 6 days ago +1

    Thank you for this exactly what I needed ❤️

  • The Real Palleh
    The Real Palleh 6 days ago +1

    The "power reveals" instead of "power corrupts" proves a distinct lack of knowledge of what corruption is.Corruption includes the abuse of power by a trusted person in a place of authority. Someone who does the right thing, but doesn't necessarily follow the rules, a robin hood if you will would be a form of corruption, through his power being his skill. When you have the power to avoid the rules to do what you want, people will do what they want, rather that's considered "good" or "bad", it is still corruption.

  • N M
    N M 7 days ago

    That statement of watching in hindsight is something I told a friend of mine who had never seen GOT.

  • SkyHighGuys
    SkyHighGuys 7 days ago +1

    This was very interesting. I actually really liked the winterfell battle but other than that you’re right on!

  • Kris P
    Kris P 7 days ago +1

    really like your sarcastic and humorous take on it, and pointing out the many indescrepencies, thank you :)

  • 04whim
    04whim 7 days ago +5

    Okay, one note about Jamie's redemption: no he doesn't need redemption for killing Aerys, but he does need redemption for pushing Bran out of a window, and basically everything he he did to the Starks before season three, and everything he did in Cersei's name. That's the redemption arc that was ruined.

    • StanleyDevastating
      StanleyDevastating 4 days ago +1

      Yes! It's a bit shit because they could easily have had him end up in King's Landing just with a different motivation: "i can get close to Cersei and kill her, sparing the city from being sacked", or "I'm not a monster any more, I need to try one last time to salvage my twin sister's humanity", or "i never got to be a father to my dead children and if they kill Cersei now that's one more child I won't get to hold". That's three different motives that wouldn't totally undermine his redemption.

  • Colin Campbell
    Colin Campbell 7 days ago +2

    What a great, cutting dissection. Really clearly and accurately pointing out all the many things that bothered me, but couldn't put into words.

  • MiriaMMiriade
    MiriaMMiriade 7 days ago +1

    this is one of the best video ever made for me

  • The Old Shoes
    The Old Shoes 7 days ago

    47:59 *Joke Thief* Hey “Female Nostalgia” stop acting so clever while stealing jokes from Sam Hyde 😏 “2070 paradigm shift“ That teachers name.... was Albert Einstein. Keep stealin ya bum! *sigh* “The female angry Videogame Nerd” 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • Adorni
    Adorni 8 days ago +4

    Why does Sansa have to be “smart?” Why can’t she just be “clever?” The two are not the same thing, but are both commendable attributes.
    I haven’t read the books or watched the show (though I’m planning on doing the former soon) but it sounds like Sansa and Cersei are the... intimate opposites. They’ve both endured hardships, been put into damning situations by the men in positions of power, but Book Sansa sounds like she holds onto her kindness and care for others, while Cersei casts it aside in her pursuit of power. She’s a schemer, possibly like Sansa, who loathes the world around her for the hand it’s dealt her.
    And if that’s the case why wasn’t Sansa given a definitive scene to contrast her with Cersei? Was it to “subvert expectations?” Or was it because D&D figured it was more important that Jaime’s character development get borked because “Cersei is his weakness?”

  • Luke Dias
    Luke Dias 8 days ago

    Hey Lindsay: This may be too sensitive, but can you make a Loose Canon video about suicide? As someone who has dealt with it in more ways than one, I’ve had very mixed feelings about its portrayal, and would love to hear your opinion.

  • Hawkwinter01
    Hawkwinter01 8 days ago +3

    "...what? Those Dragons have the fortitude of hummingbirds.." 😂😂😂😂

  • Agent8450
    Agent8450 8 days ago +2

    Another fantastic video. Thank you for your perspective and research.

  • Dyno
    Dyno 8 days ago

    26:31 Did you steal this joke from Yathzee in Zero Punctuation, Lindsay?

  • Meg 11Gamer
    Meg 11Gamer 8 days ago

    The Hitler that fliessssssssssssss

  • Amoré Johnson
    Amoré Johnson 9 days ago

    Read the books 📚 yes❤️

  • Hoigwai
    Hoigwai 9 days ago +6

    I felt genuinely horrible for the actors, such a good arc for them to play for about 5.5 years a slight decline and then off a cliff into the abyss of stupidity.

  • Gabe
    Gabe 9 days ago +1

    What's that tune playing during that "Boo boo the fool" picture?
    At 4:26

  • Kyle Sheley
    Kyle Sheley 9 days ago +1

    I was already digging this channel, but, when she made the unbelievably precise Trogdor "burninating the countryside" reference, I think that's when I fell hopelessly in love.

  • Pamela Westphal
    Pamela Westphal 9 days ago

    lets talk about the real hot take: the color grading has gotten progressively worse

  • Melinda Murphy
    Melinda Murphy 9 days ago +1

    I couldn’t even watch your videos until now, because my heart has been brutalized by this ending. It still is. I’m meeting Kit and Gwen next month, though, and I’m trying to muster my enthusiasm for their work (which is spectacular) apart from the scripts they were dealt. It’s there, but I’m hearing GRRM speak the night before I meet them, so I’m going to pretend they starred in the true ending that is to be. I’m going to hope that AI comes along to retcon the last three seasons with these amazing actors in place to provide them the chance to do the work again properly with scripts written by GRRM or Tad Williams or Kermit the Frog, anyone who can do this show true justice! That is all I can hope for at this point.
    Because, like you, I can’t even watch the earlier seasons of the greatest television show in history anymore.

  • R M
    R M 9 days ago +1

    I have a theory:
    The backslash from Sansa’s rape in Season 05, hoping on the back of the #metoo movement, was more than D&D expected. Worrying about their career prospects in the future if they were labelled “sexist” and “rape apologists”, they over compensated by:
    - Making Sansa the smartest, smirkiest and most fail proof character in the series.
    - Deciding Arya would be the one to kill the Night King, instead of John (they said in an interview they decided that around 2016, so the timeline fits).
    - Making almost every single kingdom ruled by women by the end of season 6 (I don’t really care about this except for Dorne: a dead prince’s mistress and her three bastards daughters killing the rightful heir does not give them ruling rights!)
    - Pretty much all male characters started giving bad advice and couldn’t come up with a winning strategy.
    There are other hints that D&D shift gears to appease the woke jury, like Benioff saying in the last couple of seasons that his favorite character is Sansa because... reasons?
    They were so worried about making these characters “woke approved” that their development suffered. And the story with them.

  • Al C
    Al C 10 days ago +1

    GoT disintegrating into the mess it became after season 4, only goes to show that DnD are completely incompetent at writing on their own. It's like they didn't have a single thought in their head with the last season. But tell me again about how "themes are for eighth-grade book reports."

  • rtmordecai1
    rtmordecai1 10 days ago +1

    They could have taken the time to highlight the protection Ned was trying to give Jon. Should just about anyone have found out about Jon’s heritage he would have been relatively more safe being beyond the politics of Westeros as a member of the Night’s Watch.

  • Jacob C
    Jacob C 10 days ago +2

    I'm new to your channel, and your editing (a welcome respite from the actual internal screaming I was doing throughout this video) is hysterical. Your arguments are super fleshed out and have a... theme... heh. You're putting out huge videos with great content and you look like you're having fun doing it! YOU GET A SUB, AND YOU GET A SUB. Keep up the great work!

  • Stephen LeBlanc
    Stephen LeBlanc 10 days ago +1

    Every time I hear your introduction, I first think the "power reveals" truism applied to DnD. Then you apply it to Daenerys. I remain unsure as to whether you intended both (90% probability), or if I am just reading in the both. As soon as DnD got enough power, BAM, zombie ice bear, fast travel, unbelievable character actions! Even as a very gay very feminist, I wish they had been more interested in showing titillating sex in the last 2 seasons than endless stupid battle and fight scenes and the cringe sex between A/G, J/B, E/C.

  • Antisceptic
    Antisceptic 10 days ago

    What music is playing at the very beginning of the video?

  • PLGS01 P
    PLGS01 P 10 days ago

    Now that "El Camino" is coming, you should talk about Breaking Bad, I would watch the shit out of that.

  • Bobby Calloway
    Bobby Calloway 11 days ago +5

    Another "whoa, Sansa, really?" moment - in either Season 6 or Season 7 she demands that two houses be taken off the descendants of lords who fought with the Boltons (but who have just died in battle). After Jon politely tells her to eff off, the descendants are shown to be two little children. Did the writers really think it was empowering for her to want to turn two children out of their homes for what their parents did?

    • Dominic Bounds
      Dominic Bounds 11 days ago +1

      Well, it seems as though the destruction of the Sept of Baelor was meant to be empowering as well, so let's just say that this setting is meant to encourage psychopathy... unless you're Jon "The Jellyfish" Snow or Tyrion "I Lost My Brain In Season 4" Lannister, of course.

  • Mod Mysterio
    Mod Mysterio 11 days ago

    2 mins ....wait did you steal my joke AGN?!!?lol🤦‍♂️😂🤣💖❤💕🙄

  • Cathy Swinton
    Cathy Swinton 11 days ago +10

    Maybe the "So much for the tolerant left" southpark-nihilism would have been easier to swallow in 1997

  • Elveslayer
    Elveslayer 11 days ago +1

    Was this Hbomberguy's lovely voice?

  • Alan Carmody
    Alan Carmody 11 days ago

    Oh my God
    Strongbad predicted all of this!

  • Bria Greene
    Bria Greene 11 days ago +1

    Okay, I'm sorry Lindsay, this was a great video overall and I respect and agree with most of your points EXCEPT the commentary on the North.
    The North has, historically been apart from the rest of Westeros in terms of culture, religion, customs, and way of life. Which, ofc, all comes to a head when Ned is assassinated and Robb declares the North's independence in season 2. The North's objective in the War of the Five Kings was to gain their independence from Westeros. Robb died for it. Northern houses were destroyed for it. Houses lost heirs to the cause. Sansa was tortured in King's Landing for it. As the age old saying goes, The North Remembers; the dream didn't die with Robb, if anything, the fact that he and thousands of other Northmen died for it makes the cause that much greater.
    Jon was the son of Ned and the brother of Robb (as far as anyone in the North knew), the Northmen chose him as their king to continue his family's legacy. By bending the knee to Dany, he spat in the face of what Robb and the Northmen died for during the War.
    Then, ofc, there's the fact that Dany's father burned Rickard Stark alive and executed Bran Stark. Again, the North Remembers. Of course they would be hostile to Dany and her army given what they represent, the end of the North's independence as well as the madness and tyranny of her father. What, Dany can be pissed at Jaime for killing Aerys but Sansa and the rest of the North have to let bygones be bygones with Rickard and Brandon?
    I'd say Sansa and the rest of the Northmen being hostile to a Targaryen conqueror who threatens to take away their hard won independence makes logical sense, story wise. If anything, it was the one of the only things s8 got right in terns of continuity.

    • pplr1
      pplr1 3 days ago

      Difference here is the North arguably saw that Daenerys was willing to treat them differently than other rulers would. Robb didn't just start the war because he liked independence but because Ned was killed. Who killed him? Not Daenerys. Who moved most of her army up to a cold North and helped save the Northerns? Daenerys. With Daenerys they could see they had someone different and better for them. At this point Sansa wouldn't have cheered Daenerys but all the other Northerners would and did.

    • Constance McAbre
      Constance McAbre 11 days ago

      Yup. Also explain why the Stark sisters changed the Stark motto to "fuck you, got mine" : they've experienced first hand what happens when they get far from home and get cut off from their family, and when their home is taken over by strangers. That Sansa would want to close ranks with her siblings, and cut the north off from the rest of the kingdoms makes all the psychological sense in the world for someone who's been burned that much.

  • Mikhailovick
    Mikhailovick 12 days ago +2

    Game of Thrones became Mass Effect.

    • pplr1
      pplr1 3 days ago +1

      The people making both even lied to their customers in each situation!! Mass Effect 3 promised to have a better ending and Daenerys's rage was said to be focused on 1 person (not everyone but Cersei).

  • Constance McAbre
    Constance McAbre 12 days ago +2

    Add Brienne to the list of characters who were done wrong. It made nooo sense that she should end up in the same bed as Jaime. Renly gives her some empathy after she's humiliated ; he sees the value of her fighting abilities, against everybody's opinion : that's where she starts. Her story is getting the respect she deserves, which she gets once Jaime knights her. That much made sense : that's the chemistry they have, the self-respect they gain from the respect they give each other. The knighting felt like a satisfying end : so why tack on that awkward romance/abandonnement thing ? 1) Fan service 2) let's not have a powerful woman without taking her down a peg (Dany's fascist PMS, Cersei's "scared girl" death) and 3) well we need to get rid of Jaime, and we've decided that he should die with Cersei, so what if he slept with Brienne and had second thoughts in the morning? Which makes no sense for Jaime but let's go with that and take down Brienne in the idiocy landslide. And I'm not even talking about the king's guard thing. That's nice for her but why wouldn't hyper loyal Brienne stay with the queen in the north, after she swore her shield to Sansa and her mother?

    • Constance McAbre
      Constance McAbre 7 days ago +2

      @Dominic Bounds Yeah. And Jon not reacting at all to Sansa having Ramsay eaten by dogs. Execution for this psychopath, sure. But this? Jon Snow is cool with this? It should have warned us D&D planned to turn the action-oriented embodiment of Stark morality into the amorphous "but she's mah queen" mess he ended up as.

    • Dominic Bounds
      Dominic Bounds 9 days ago +2

      @Constance McAbre Or at the very least, some consequences. That was my first hint that the show was *really* going downhill: the lack of any serious repercussions - to Brienne choosing Stannis over Sansa, to Tyrion fucking up yet again, to Not!Elaria murdering her lover's family, to Not!Euron having his entire fleet stolen, to Arya getting virtually disemboweled, to Jon getting caught in a frontal assault that should have killed him all over again, to Cersei blowing up the Sept of Balor.
      If 5 was the season of fuckups, 6 was the season of plot armour.

    • Constance McAbre
      Constance McAbre 11 days ago +2

      At least there should have been more internal conflict that "hmm, I don't see that candle, oh well let's gut Stannis".

    • Dominic Bounds
      Dominic Bounds 11 days ago +1

      I'll be brutally honest: I'm of the belief that they screwed Brienne up when she decided that taking revenge on a dying man for the sake of a traitor was more important than rescuing a rape victim.

  • iHateJimbo
    iHateJimbo 12 days ago +1

    1:05:23 The sad truth.
    I can't even bring myself to rewatch the old episodes based simply on the fact that the ending is a poorly written mess. They not only ruined the final season of the show, but the entire series for me. It just leaves you with the thought of "What's the point?".
    It's a damn shame really.

  • Renee Lasswell
    Renee Lasswell 12 days ago +2

    I love this video, it's a great breakdown and I particularly appreciate your refutation of the argument that Daenerys' turn to insanity or tyranny made any kind of sense. The only thing you didn't mention that drove me nuts was how nonsensical the battle strategies were. Castles have walls for a REASON and cavalry are best used in flanking maneuvers, you do not send them in a frontal assault against superior numbers. The dragons could have been used to take out wights before they ever got to Winterfell's walls and as close air support after. How did this show get to filming without anyone fixing the basic battle failures?

    • pplr1
      pplr1 Day ago

      @Renee Lasswell Well they made basic mistakes with the plot so.. but Jon and co have experience so they should know this.

    • Renee Lasswell
      Renee Lasswell Day ago +1

      @pplr1 I know right? I spent 25 years in military intelligence so I know I'm hypercritical but they are making just basic mistakes.

    • pplr1
      pplr1 3 days ago +1

      They never tried wargame miniatures or the Total War game franchise..?

  • Bluebyyou 21
    Bluebyyou 21 12 days ago +1

    "...she's just a girl!"
    Umm... no, she a woman. Give me a break. If a female is over puberty, she is a woman. Why is this so hard for western society to understand?

    • Bluebyyou 21
      Bluebyyou 21 4 days ago

      @Ana Blaque Yes, the same does go for males. However, males have the non-child version 'guys' to refer to above puberty but not quite considered a mature male. Females don't. The closest equivalent would be 'gals' but unfortunately, it tends to be used in a devaluing manner so while better than girl it is not much better.

      Sayings/turn of phrases have power. Calling a female a girl groups them in with children, contributing to the continuing infantilization of women, a serious issue contributing to the prevalent sexism in western society.

      Given all the the things the female characters in Games of Thrones went tthru, the responsibilities they held, the life and death decisions they made, none of them should be implied to be 'just' anything, let a lone a child. It is an insulting excuse, belittling and depowering them, when they were actually strong, amazing woman.

      FYI: not only is english is my first language but I live in a western society.

    • Ana Blaque
      Ana Blaque 8 days ago +1

      the same goes for males....... and its just a saying/turn of phrase in the west., I'm sure you don't know English enough to understand that. and just going through puberty doesn't make someone a man or women. they still have to grow up and learn a lot. a post-pubescent 14 yr old male isn't culturally a man yet etc...

  • billthecat2011
    billthecat2011 12 days ago +2

    Rewatching and I straight up love hot topic pirate’s theme

  • Bryan McCormick
    Bryan McCormick 12 days ago

    given that defense of Jaime... then the whole show is the dilution of being ambivalent about bran being pushed out a window, nothing else matters except to numb yourself from trauma... the game of thrones is recognizing the rat race of materialism; the destroying of the night king is incidental; love is utilitarian... i can't grant those concessions to jaime or that depth to the show... he's an awful character who got way to much slack... whose character arc could have saved the show was the mountain... he should have been a sex puppet to cersei and that would have disrupted the grayjoy dynamic who wouldn't have had to become relegated to bit players and hyped up the fantasy that fucks aspect of the show beyond gratuitous nudity... but jaime's dying with cersei was the perfect ending for them both to die under the weight of their kingdom under the orders of their more competent but imperfect brother... a loyalty shit show them three, their familial love is utilitarian... hmmmm

  • JXYIINN IMO SA
    JXYIINN IMO SA 12 days ago +1

    Jon lead the nights watch during the battle of the wall and the battle for hardhome then in season 6 he got stupid and lost all tactical sense that's when I lost interest in the show

  • ECL28E
    ECL28E 12 days ago +1

    Wouldn't a leader who doesn't want to lead be too susceptible to outside influences? Sounds to me that they don't want a ruler, but a scapegoat

  • Byron Myers
    Byron Myers 12 days ago +3

    Did you see the interview on Japanese TV that D&D just did? They were talking about the coffee cup and they conpared themselves to persian rug makers who purposely make a mistake because "only God can make something perfect". It was infuriating to see how full of themselves and how clueless they are about how they butchered EVERY storeline.

    • Byron Myers
      Byron Myers 10 days ago +2

      @hawaiian lad i mean they werent saying that they did it on purpose, but the implication they were making was incredibly douchey.

    • hawaiian lad
      hawaiian lad 11 days ago +1

      I'm pretty sure they meant that remark as a joke and just admitted it was a mistake. Cause if that's true then I'm gonna get mad all over again.

  • Cruel World
    Cruel World 12 days ago

    The background music gets increasingly annoying the longer the video goes on

  • Fuzzy Dunlop
    Fuzzy Dunlop 12 days ago

    I don't think Jaimie has much business killing the Night King, mostly because it seems his area of importance is functioning within the societal norms - particularly within the more toxic societal norms - of Westeros. Everyone agrees the mad king was a shithead, but Jaimie is still looked upon disparagingly regardless. I think his evil that has to be vanquished isn't internal as such nor magical in nature but has to do 100% with the way aristocratic society in Westeros functions - not sure how that would take shape exactly, neither did anyone else from the look of thing - but I think Jaimie is internally fine, it's that external presence of facade that needs to be worked on in some way.

  • 1manuscriptman
    1manuscriptman 12 days ago +1

    It's worth noting that ALL of these problems with the character and plot development came about when D&D ran out of or deviated from Book material, which ran out in season 5. For example, in the books Sansa never marries Ramsey Bolton,not even MEETS him. All of that plotline, and all that resulted from it, including the battle of the Bastard's and Sansa's assumption of Lord of Winterfel, never happened in the books.
    D&D decided they were better than George Martin in plot writing. I'll leave it to you to decide if that is true.

  • StormTemplar
    StormTemplar 12 days ago

    Previously I went on to something else as the credits rolled. Since when did Lindsay do marvelish post credit content?

  • Tornado Chaser
    Tornado Chaser 12 days ago

    Excellent analysis Lindsey! This was very in-depth, articulate, involving, and entertaining.

  • Guillermo Casanova
    Guillermo Casanova 12 days ago +1

    Daennerys is not Super Hitler. She's Super Lenin. In a not very subtle way: her eastern-like armies raising sickles in a grey-ish, snowy environment with a big red palace behind her, talking about emancipation on top of corpses. Somehow, Hollywood has decided to defeat the Soviet Union in a propaganda war (Stranger Things, GOT Season 8, Chernobyl), 40 years after its demise. After all, millenials are engaging in a lot of crazy talk about socialism, while there is an increasing geopolitical tension with a country ruled by a Comunist party, so there's some themes that had to be dusted off. Namely, the fear of Revolution. Of course it ends with "yeah, you know? Something similar to what we have (the rule of the elites through a system of representation) is better than any other option, and those who talk about emancipation are mesianic crazy people who should fuck more often". Billions aren't raised for a show that gives us "ideas": I bet is easier to raise billions if you want to produce massive entertainment aimed to dismantle those ideas (Nolan's Batman is a great example).
    Also, have you ever read comparisions between the outcome of the Me Too movement and Stalinism? Yeah. Also that. I reckon men in Hollywood are really scared of female empowerment, and they write stuff accordingly. What stuff? Old liberal-conservative stuff: women are fickle, emotional, unpredictible, irrational, unstable. Have you ever realized that from the conservative point of view, women share those exact same qualities with "the masses"? Are "the masses" a woman? They sure are a no show in the world of GOT (unless they are commanded/manipulated by exceptional high-borned individuals, or as a hostage), very much unlike our world. So much for "gritty realism". Ok, enough digression. Love this channel!!

  • Autism is Uncontrollable

    Communists and socialists weren't a made up threat in Germany

  • Azathanai
    Azathanai 12 days ago

    Read the books!!

  • P Henning
    P Henning 12 days ago

    what videos are the 'Two seasons later' cuts stolen from?
    ("Lindsay did you just steal my joke again??")

    • P Henning
      P Henning 12 days ago

      @elevate07 answered this way earlier in the comments. it's hbomberguy.
      thanks yo!

  • 17659817265781465781
    17659817265781465781 13 days ago

    I genuinely thought R. A. Salvatore was the writer of Season 8

  • CountOrlok22
    CountOrlok22 13 days ago +7

    "We can't trust Daenerys because the people flip a coin when a Targaryen was born. We can trust Jon Snow, Aegon Targaryen, because he's a Targaryen, but the rightful ruler, he's also a man, which so were the previous Targaryen tyrants, and he doesn't want to rule so therefore he's more suited to ruling... just like Robert Baratheon." Truly this is the worst logic on the series. Varys' entire character motivation for half the series is undone because convenience demands it.

  • Elena Migliorini
    Elena Migliorini 13 days ago

    Now I'm trying to figure out.. why Lindsay Ellis channel hasn't 1 mln subscribers? instead it doesn't reach the 800 k, but her videos have +mln views and just this which is her last videos has 12.000 comments... Do someone can provide me an answer cause I cannot find. Just why?

    • Carson Ogen
      Carson Ogen 11 days ago +1

      People don't really subscribe to videos like they used to. RUplusrs who got popular more recently tend to have more views and less subscribers vs older youtubers who have many more subscribers than viewers.

  • Maxwell Dolor
    Maxwell Dolor 13 days ago +8

    Wow, hearing Peter D. say "Tyrion is smart, but I guess not that smart." made me genuinely sad. You can hear his happiness playing this role just dissolving.

    • Constance McAbre
      Constance McAbre 12 days ago +4

      Yup. Just like Clarke going "best season ever" in the most sarcastic voice, just like Hill just tossing the script away during the last reading... That's why I guess no-one is mad at them (rightly). It's like watching a gang of chefs being ordered to follow recipes designed by increasingly younger children. You just can feel the waves of frustration through the professionalism.

  • Pan Mantequilla
    Pan Mantequilla 13 days ago +7

    I especially like what you said about Sansa and how women empowerment is always women being devoid of emotions. I've always hated that trope.

    • Adorni
      Adorni 7 days ago

      Pan Mantequilla It’s that and usually knocking other characters (usually men) down. Sansa, for example, only seems to outplay Tyrion because he’s taken an abrupt turn into dimwitsville, not because she’s been paying close attention to him and his mannerisms and figured out how to properly manipulate him, something that takes *time.* She simply outwitted him because he’s suddenly a moron.
      Speaking frankly, if you’re a woman and you’re being told that the only reason you can do something as well as your male counterpart is because he’s suddenly become blisteringly incompetent? You should be feeling insulted.
      When you build a character up by knocking another down, you rob people’s investment in both characters; they resent the former for “cheating,” and they lament the latter over their unfair treatment.

  • Nate Orthann
    Nate Orthann 13 days ago

    Best

  • Russall Beattie
    Russall Beattie 13 days ago

    I can’t agree with you more. Which just makes me sad for the crew and cast who worked their ass off to get what they got.

  • Rocksparadox From the blocks

    ''Wow, yeah that's some leadership material right there''
    ''Fortitude of hummingbirds''

    I love your sharp, droll commentary and I find your cinnamon crunch kimono to be just adorable. :P
    For me there will always only be
    one Khaleesi, Kha.L.E. e.. si!

  • A Hunter
    A Hunter 13 days ago

    Thank you for this vid' - you speak well and offer valuable comments *****

  • James Ashford
    James Ashford 13 days ago

    I may be the only one here, but I actually like the idea of Bran the Broken becoming King. I like the idea that the long machinations of the three-eyed raven were meant to place this clairvoyant on the Throne of Westros, able to use his wisdom and insight to be the first in a new line of elected Emperors and, I'm guessing, lead Westros into a new age of unprecedented peace and prosperity. That is, I think, a pretty dang cool direction for the plot to go.
    BUT, as Lindsey spends a long time pointing out, it was horribly executed. All of the character work and actions and motivations that get us to that point are sloppy at best.
    I also don't mind at all the fact that Dany goes mad and must be killed. The idea that putting faith in a God-Queen is never going to be a good idea, and that of course Dany has been slaughtering people by the bucket load for like 5 seasons but it was always bad guys so we didn't really question it, but now we see that behavior is not good in a ruler because it might eventually be turned on people you like, etc etc etc. That is a great plot, and leads nicely into the abolition of the system of hereditary imperial dynasties established by bloody conquest. All of the pieces are there for a really really good plot, it just was....again....executed very poorly.